How to Choose the Right Electric Floor Heating for Your Subfloor

During this webinar, our experts help you determine which floor heating system is best based on the subfloor material and the flooring that will be installed. We review both plywood and concrete subfloors and how they each influence the installation process.

Hello Thank you so much for joining us today for our webinar for March. We're going to be going over choosing the right electric for heating for your subfloor. So I am Lyn. I'm a customer service representative here at WarmlyYours. And today I am joined by. Anatoliy I'm with WarmlyYours technical support and product team. Awesome now we're going to jump right in. If you have any questions on the presentation, please don't hesitate to ask. Do so either in the sidebar chat or at the bottom of the screen and the Ask a Question module. If we don't see your question right away, we'll definitely get to it by the end of the presentation. So like I said, today, we're going to be talking about some electric floor heating, kind of some basics, and especially how to really get your project started off on the right foot. So we're going to go over a general intro to electric for heating, and then we're also going to be going over the requirements for whatever subfloor you'll be installing over at the end. We're also going to show you some installation examples so you can really picture exactly what we're talking about. So there are a lot of benefits to electric floor heating. One is that it's incredibly energy efficient when compared to a traditional force air heating system like you're most likely used to. It's going to be more efficient because it's going to be a very quick way to heat up the space as well as you can zone your heat. So you only have to be heating where it when you need it. It also reduces air movement. There's not air blowing around, so it's reducing allergens, dust and pollutants within the house. And if you're going to already be, you know, building a new house or replacing a floor or something like that, it's a very easy way to add a little bit of extra comfort and luxury in that space. So we're going to be going over our different systems. These are time zone Environ™ and in the slab heating. So initially, can you kind of tell us what the different subfloor materials, you know, how they affect the job. Yeah so we're going to be talking today mainly, of course, about, you know, you kind of more typical what's subfloor and of course, about concrete subfloor. So the main difference is, of course, anytime you're working over a concrete subfloor, you would always want to sort of separate your floor heating from that concrete subfloor because it's going to absorb a lot of heat and kind of decrease the efficiency of your system. So future into the slides. We're going to be talking about the thermal barrier that we provide for those. And then, of course, when it comes to the wood floors, it's important to always ensure that subfloor is leveled. It's ready to receive the specific type of flooring you're planning to use. So in other words, just make sure it's structurally sound for the flooring you're going to be using. Perfect awesome. So can you also go over some of the installation methods? I know that we know, we have two different types of installation. Generally, you're going to either embed the heat, we're going to float the heat. Can you kind of tell us, you know, which comes into play when. Yeah, Yeah. I, I like to always point out that with our embedded type systems, which we're going to cover more in details in just a couple of slides, those type of systems are virtually done ready to receive any flooring. Just because you embed the system, you have a nice level surface. You know, if you embedded with a self-leveling cement, you're just going to have nice level cement on top of it. And then again, virtually, you can bring another contractor a week later and and they will not even know that floor heating is there. So once again, you can install virtually any flooring on top of this for specifically floating flooring types like laminate, floating wood or carpet in the United states, we have another product that just needs to be floated. The simple explanation of that process would be where you just install the underlayment down first, float that, then float your heating system and load the flooring on top. One thing I probably want to point out right now and we will talk about this again a couple of times in the slides today, is that the floating vinyl flooring would not be the applicable flooring to be used. With that, you would still use the vinyl flooring with our embedded systems. Awesome yeah, that's definitely a good point. I think it's really common to have, you know, kind of some confusion around laminate and vinyl. I think the terms are often used interchangeably even when they are technically different materials. So you want to make sure that you are aware of specifically what kind of product you're putting down. So kind of on that same note, you want to make sure that you're talking to the flooring manufacturer. So you want to see if they have requirements when pairing their product with electric for heating, often it will be something like a heat limitation, like, you know, they don't want you to go over maybe 80 to 84 degrees Fahrenheit or they'll be something like a requirement for the amount of space needed between the floor itself and the heating the products. And this generally only applies to certain flooring materials. Usually things like laminate, alvi, ti engineered or nailed down wood are probably the most common to have these requirements or limitations. You know, things to keep in mind, things like tile generally don't have that as much. Yeah one thing I can probably add here real quick is that we were talking about laminate, you know, floating laminate you would usually use or 99% of the time you would use with one of our floating systems. However, there might be some laminate manufacturers that specifically will want will want their systems to be installed over embedded heating systems, meaning that you cannot install it over just directly over a floating Environ™ type system. So again, temperature is one thing like Lyn pointed out, but also make sure you are fully familiar with the installation method that your particular flooring company requires you to follow. Absolutely so can you going to tell us how you would be determining which heating system? I know we talked about, you know, requirements and things like that or some general tips, you know, things like vinyl usually, you know, you just need to have it over something embedded. So can you kind of tell us how to pick your system? Yeah so that's this really now just opened it up for us the actual names of the products, right? I mean, in a to previous or in the slide before we were talking about embedded system. And floating system. So here you can pretty much see taps zone system is your system that will always needs to be embedded. And we have that type of product available in rolls, in flex rolls, we call them in easy mats, which are just kind of like standard mat sizes, custom mats and also the cable for some specific customization. And once again, that's a system that always needs to be embedded no matter what. And then and buyer and product is available and rolls and easy mats, which are against more standard rectangular size mats. And this is for loading floors and the actual heating element will be floated as well. So as you probably just remember from a previous slide, those would be compatible with the floating laminate, floating wood or with wall to wall carpets in the United States only perfect. So looking at sub floors and your different heating options. So if you were going over a wood subfloor with a system that's going to be embedded, you want to make sure that the subfloor is prepared properly. You want to make sure, a, that it's going to be, you know, completely level and clear first and that any gaps or holes are filled in and sealed. If you're pouring something like a self-leveling cement, it's going to find any holes, you know, cracks in the floor and cause some damage like that. So you want to make sure that you're really preparing that subfloor, priming it, filling any holes and making sure you're good to go. Yeah and another big think about the wood suppliers or general about really any subfloor is when you're going to be working with the self-leveling cement. One can decide to install a heating system and then apply the self-leveling, which is correct process, but also use the self-leveling to actually level that existing floor. And that's not going to be the right process to follow because you will end up having if especially if the floor is unlabeled, you will end up having more material in one area of the floor or less material in another area of the floor. And as a result, you may end up with pretty uneven heat. So in those cases, anytime you need to actually level the floor first, you would want to apply the self-leveling first, prepare level your floor, only then start or I should say proceed with your floor heating system installation. Awesome Yeah. Those are some important tips to keep in mind. So when you're looking at a tile job where you're going to be installing tile as your final flooring, you can see this is a pretty good cross-section. We have quite a few of these that we're going to be going over today, showing the different layers and steps of each process. So starting with a wood subfloor, again, making sure to prepare that and then you'll lay out your heat and you'll either use the rolls where you'll cut and turn it, or those loose cables where you'll attach them using fixing strips. And then from there you would use then set and that tile floor. Now, can you kind of talk to us about some about shower heating and what specifically that entails? Yeah, for sure. So in addition to those embedded systems we just mentioned, we also have a TempZone™. Shower mat systems, or I should say mats for benches and the shower floors. So virtually it's the same product, same type of mesh with a pretty attached wire to it. The main difference, of course, that those mats are already designed for your standard shower sizes or standard bench sizes. So the installation process is very simple. But anytime we're talking about the shower floor heating, you would typically start with some kind of pan that is pretty sloped and you would want to install some waterproofing membrane, which is shown here in the yellow color. That's the waterproofing membrane. And as you can see, those gray layers eventually is layers of tent set. So you will have that membrane covered with a layer of tents at first. Then the heating system will be installed. And then from there, really, the rest of the layers would be pretty standard. As soon as the heating system is installed, you will apply more than set and install tiles on top. So again, your main real difference here is that you're building up some additional layers under the heating system to, again, achieve that slope or achieve that waterproofing. And once again, we are actually offering shower waterproofing kits directly at WarmlyYours. So if you have questions on those, definitely reach out to us or just go on the water proofing kits right on our website. Awesome yes, we do have a lot of really good information on that website, kind of just as a plug right now. They have pretty much all these cross-sections, lots of videos, blog posts, trainings, things like that. So if you're interested or want more information, always feel free to check that out as well. So looking at an LV cross-section, this is where that self-leveling cement is really going to come into play. So again, you have that subfloor that is primed and clean and ready and then your fixing strips your cable and then you'll notice the masking tape. And that is specifically to hold down at the cables. You'll want to do this whether you're using the loose cable or the mats, you want to make sure that they are attached well to the subfloor so that they don't float up and move around in that self-leveling cement. And then once that has dried and, you know, it's compatible with any kind of moisture level requirements with the tee, you can begin installing that. Yeah one thing I can quickly point out on this particular slide is once again, sometimes you may run into this on I call it two different installation manuals that you need to follow. So your luxury vinyl tile instruction or installation manual may say, yeah, it's a luxury vinyl tile. It can be slowed it over, doesn't require a thin sat or, you know, anything of that nature. But at the same time, you need to follow the installation manual that is provided with our system. So if you're using a ™ƒ type system that is always need to be embedded, you always want to make sure you install that cable or installed that TempZone™ flexible and you apply the layer of self-leveling cement first and it needs to be at least 3/8 of an inch thick. And only then, after you have that surface ready, you eventually will then proceed and install your vinyl tiles as your manufacturer suggests. Absolutely so glue down flooring. I am not super familiar with this one actually, so I'm going to pass it off to you. I want to make sure that we're getting the right information out about yeah, we went down that not a problem. That's, I would say, another pretty common way of, you know, flooring installation. In fact, I actually just had a meeting for a large project this morning and what flooring is being used. So I think one important thing to always point out, any time that you are planning to start a floor heating project or you are submitting some floor plans to us, don't just indicate that it's going to be a wood floor because there are at least three main ways and how that can be installed. You know, it could be a floating wood floor, it could be a glue down wood floor, which we're going to be covering right now. And it could be a nailed down wood floor. The reason we want to know that information, because in with these three different methods of installation, we would actually need to quote three different products because eventually floating system will get your floating Environ™ heating mat glue down system will typically get that flex flexible, but for a nail down system you would need the cable. So always share that information. That's very critical. But with this particular cross-section, again, we starting pretty simple. You want to have nice clean, clean level subfloor, wood subfloor, you want to prime it. You can go ahead with the time zone, flex roll or it could be a cable. Doesn't really matter at this point, but then you will again cover it with a self-leveling cement minimum of 3/8 of an inch thick, make sure it's, you know, following the right information that's listed on the back to properly mix it, make sure it's the right ratio. You spread it correctly and only when it's fully dried. That's where you will again switch to that other manual and start using your wood flooring manual to choose the proper flooring adhesives and choose the proper installation methods. So again, start is as you will probably start to notice this start from majority of the systems will be pretty similar, but then you just start applying that other installation manual or your flooring. Yes, absolutely. So preparing a wooden subfloor for a floating installation, this is really going to require minimal prep and it does not take long and it's not difficult, again, making sure that the floor is clean of any debris. And you'll also want to make sure that it's level and, you know, pretty much good to go. You want it to be a good base for your heating. And then from there, you're going to want to lay down a type of padding or underlayment. We always recommend using our CeraZorb™. I thought that was the next slide. It's not. We'll be going over CeraZorb™ in just a minute here, talking about our synthetic caulk and what we recommend when using it as an underlayment. So this is a good cross-section of what I believe we normally call a Environ™ sandwich or something along those lines. We're essentially is that what we call it, euro? If you're putting it on a wooden subfloor first, you'll want to lay down that underlayment. And for this, it's less about the insulation that it provides, although that is a bonus of the resources. But it's also going to protect the match from, you know, as the floor shifts and moves between the laminate and the wood, you're not going to have damage occur into that map. So you'll lay out your underlayment, your Environ™, that's the foil heating mat. And then from there you'll lay out that laminate flooring and floated across the top. Yeah one thing to point out here, I feel like of course, we talking about specifically cross section. So I'm trying not to take too much time about different installation techniques. But any time we talking about really any type of system, make sure you are always providing us the nice layout of the room with the exact dimensions, but also point out where there's any obstructions on the floor. So like things like heating barns or maybe some posts or something that's going to be planned to be there in the future, you know, just pointed out for us, we can provide you the proper layout and that way, you know, you avoid any type of issue during that installation day. Absolutely Yeah. Anything to make it easier on yourself. Yeah so looking at a wood subfloor with a carpet installation, now, this is only applicable in the United States. Currently it's safe according to the state's national electric code, so it's perfectly fine. You just want to make sure that again, you're putting that padding down first. So you want that carpet padding on the wood subfloor and then your Environ™ and then very carefully, you would install your carpet over the top. Yeah typical simple cross-section for Environ™ and carpet installation. Again, make sure that I know most of the instructions for. Again, either it's going to be carpet or some other floating floor. They may specify that the underlayment needs to be specifically under the flooring, but that's not the case in the installations where you actually trying to heat that floor. That's where you put you start with the underlayment first, then you put the heating system and then the flooring. You generally don't want to have anything in between your heating system, which in this case, it's Environ™ flexible and your flooring on top. Because as soon as you put something there that's just going to trap the heat, that's going to slow down that heat from properly transferring into the floor. Yes that is a very good point. You want to sure that you're almost as close to the top of the flooring as you can be. So talking about a concrete subfloor floor. Now, if you're going to be doing an embedded system like that TempZone™, again, similar to what we talked about earlier, making sure that it's clean, making sure that it's primed and level. And then you also want to make sure that if there are any high spots, things like that, while doing the leveling, that you grind those down first to make sure that everything is a good, flat, smooth surface. Yeah I'm going to repeat it one more time. Any time you work working over let's just say in this case, concrete subfloor could be maybe some older construction where, you know, things are not perfectly leveled. You want to make sure you leveling that subfloor first before installing the heating system. Just again, just to avoid that uneven heat. You don't want to have that, let's say, corner of the room that for whatever reason is, you know, slightly lower in slope. And that might be your high traffic area. You don't want to have that system that corner filled with more leveling cement and therefore, eventually providing you that less heat or slower heat or lower temperature just because, you know, there is an inch of material over top of it versus just 3/8 of an inch in throughout the whole rest of the floor. So yeah, just pay attention for that. And probably another situation we can quickly cover here is you might have some existing flooring that you are not planning to remove. Like, you know, either it's some old or vinyl flooring or maybe it's an older tile that is in a good shape. But you're not just know, you're not removing that. And you're planning a new flooring on top. That's the point where you just want to work with the self-leveling or thinset manufacturer to choose the right product and choose the right preparation process to either cut it out or send it out that surface. So the adhesion will happen correctly. You don't want to apply, you know, your typical thinset over some kind of glossy vinyl floor and then it's, you know, then it's just not really holding, you know, it's all popping out or something. So just make sure you follow that up with the flooring company and with the tint set or self-leveling manufacturer. Yes awesome. That's a good point. OK here's what I was talking about earlier for our series orb. I really love this picture. I think it shows a really good, you know, at just a glance how important CeraZorb™ is specifically when going over a concrete slab. So concrete definitely tends to act as kind of a heat sink. It wants to heat up first before it allows the heat to rise and, you know, kind of actually give you that comfort that you're looking for. So you want to make sure that you're putting that barrier down so that the heat does arise normally. And you can see having CeraZorb™ is always going to make upwards of 4 degrees of difference, just die installing it. So it's a very good product for insulation. It's very good at areas for areas that are high humidity or high moisture because it is that synthetic caulk, it's not going to mold or mildew or anything like that. So yeah, it's going to really help boost the efficiency of that floor heating system. It's not something you want to overlook or skip. Yeah CeraZorb™ again I would call it must have products for those installations over at concrete systems, especially if you are in any other climate than just your normal warm tropical climate. That's where you're, you know, cold concrete will just start to absorb that heat. And you don't want your to have your floor heating system working over time and using so much more energy to start bringing that temperature to some comfortable levels. You pretty much the goal here with the stairs or is really trying to separate your slab, your concrete slab from the layers that include the floor heating so they almost become, you know, individual right where the floor heating just heats the floor. And it's not trying to heat the subfloor. Absolutely so a concrete slab tile installation would look something like this. You have that subfloor that you obviously, again, want to make sure is prepared well, and then you would then set your stairs or but to that subfloor, lay out your timezone flex and then put then set down and your tile. Yeah very simple. Once again, CeraZorb™ is or is the key here. And important note too, probably covered here is also, as you can see in the cross section. CeraZorb™ needs to be thin. Set it down to the subfloor. You don't want to have her sort of just floating over because if you started then installing rest of your layers, including tiles, technically you'd be the whole installation above it becomes floating and you don't want to have your tiles sort of floating over top of your concrete. Yes, that is a very, very good point to keep in mind. So same concept with LV t. The only difference like we talked about earlier is really what you do once the heat is down. So again, there's that slab. You lay out your thinset and CeraZorb™ under your heat, and then from there you would do that self-leveling to the manufacturers specs for the alvey tee. And then once that's dry, you can lay out your alvey on top. Actually, I remember one more thing we can cover and talk a little bit about the elevator installation. So as I mentioned a couple of times before, from our requirements, we want that self-leveling cement layer to be at a minimum of three, eight, 7 inch. That doesn't mean you should just go ahead and put 387 inch and continue with the rest of your flooring installed because there might be some flooring types or flooring manufacturers that specifically will indicate that embedded floor heating needs to be covered or needs to be separated by half an inch off. Self-leveling so sometimes that flooring company may just specify value and like we were talking before it, just look into those instructions as well because either the temperature or amount of separation will be indicated there. So that way you will do the installation. Right and comply with both of the requirements. Absolutely so we haven't really touched on our uncoupling membrane very much. Can you tell us about Prodeso, and kind of when it's best, you just. Yeah so on top of remembering, just like the name itself stands for that uncoupling mechanism, right where you have your flooring that will be sitting on the membrane with the, you know, with the layer thinset under, it will have a little bit of separate or uncoupled movement from the rest of the subfloor below. So that's where you will follow the Pro-Band. So membrane installation instruction to choose the right to choose the right types of twin set depending on your subfloor and choose the right installation method, depending on, you know, how many layers of plywood subfloor you have, what is your spacing for the choice? Things like that will dictate the proper installation procedure. So definitely if you're planning to use this type of product or, you know, you made you already have that started or in your quotation, definitely follow the installation manual or the cross section that we provide on our website to properly, you know, do that installation, right? Yes, absolutely. And we've said it before and it doesn't hurt to throw it out there again. We also are available if you ever have questions, feel free to just reach out directly. So for a concrete slab floor, if you're going to be floating your heater, your floating your flooring, the main thing is, again, that you want to have that insulating underlayment that's there is always going to be very important just by virtue of installing over a concrete slab so you can lay out your series or again, make sure that it is completely thinset down so that the stairs are of itself isn't floating. And then from there you can lay out your Environ™ and that's not going to be attached to anything. Nothing should be attached to it. It's going to truly just float on that series orb and then you would lay out your flooring over the top. One thing I will point out here, for the floating installations, you actually don't need to tent set down your stairs or you can just float it, tape it together and tape the perimeter or corners just so it stays in place. That way, your whole installation, your Sierras or pure Environ™s, your floating flooring on the top, it all, it all floats. That's eventually how it's designed to. So that only applies eventually in those floating systems. Everything else, when you're doing embedded installation on top, you would also think that these stairs or below. But any time you hear the word floating and you're using Environ™ system which is floating you then no longer really need to adhere that stairs or down. That's good information. I did not really fully know that. So thank you for clarifying. Yeah Yeah. And it kind of I mean, it's kind of a fun like you can think of pennywise, like we all float something like that. There's a joke in there. I'll find it. So come on. There we go. With a carpet on a concrete slab. Again, the same concept, padding, layout your Environ™. And then again, very carefully install your carpet over the top. And this is only applicable currently in the United States. Yeah just eventually make sure that anytime you're doing that installation with the carpet over the concrete, just pick a good, high quality padding that will have a good r-value pretty much the better insulation you're going to get, the better performance and efficiency of the system you're going to get. Yes, absolutely. And last but not least, our laminate cross-section again, same thing. This is very much a, you know, kind of true floating floor. And this is what we see a lot of. So you lay out your stairs or on that slab, lay out your Environ™ and then your laminate right over the top. Yeah simple cross section. Love it. So can you tell us a little bit about what you're looking at if you're going to be doing a new construction, like a new slab for. Yeah anytime you starting with a new slap that's not port yet, you actually have two options or kind of two directions how you can go with your floor heating. So if you are planning to use that concrete slab, let's just call it a polished concrete as your final flooring surface, you would definitely then use the slab heating system that I'm going to be talking about right now. But if you're planning to use the if you're planning to use any pretty much type of flooring on top of your newly poured concrete, that's where you have two ways of handling that. You can install your heating system in the concrete as shown right here on that cross section. Or you can just finish your concrete and pretty much through your embedded system like we were covering in majority of the previous slides. The main kind of difference, the way I like to describe it, the main difference would be is how you are planning to use that system. So if you just it's a room that, you know, you're going to be just running, you know, the floor heat in that room for maybe a few hours in the morning, few hours in the evening. So kind of short term heat that you just need for a couple of hours. You probably going to benefit from having a floor heating over top of that concrete. So just like we showed before with the stairs door and the rest of embedded layers, because that will give your system that quick efficiency, you ramp up the temperature, it heats up, you use it, walk there for a couple of hours or so, then you shut it down and you know, you didn't really use a lot of energy. But if you're planning to maybe have that whole floor heating acting as a primary heat source, or maybe it's the room that you would want to keep it warm or keep the floor warm for a majority of the day. And you actually want to kind of structurally heat the whole house, more or less. That's where it would be very beneficial to have that slab heating installation, the one you see here, and really to cover that cross section, you want to have your heating system, which is a separate, specific heating system. We call it slab heating mats and cables. Those will need to be installed in the middle of your concrete floor. So you want to have two to 3 inches of concrete below the system and about two to 3 inches of concrete on top of the system. So that way, once again, your heating element is in the middle of that poor. Absolutely perfect. All right. Are we do we have any questions? And I know we received a few earlier in advance, so we're going to be going over those. Feel free to think about any questions you have. And again, either in the sidebar chat or in that ask a question module at the bottom of the screen. Our first question is from Kimberly. She asks, would Walter's radiant floors be used inside of a water or line that type system in a new home build? And the answer is definitely Yes. Either hydraulic or electric systems for heating systems can be used in New construction. So it really comes down to, you know, kind of what you're looking for from the system, what kind of flooring you're going to be putting down, things like that. Yeah, that question, it actually ties very nicely with that previous slide, we were talking about because if it's a new construction, once again, you can choose which direction you want to go and you don't need to choose that direction for the whole house. You may have potentially your whole first floor of the House with the slab head, because that's the foundation. That's where you can actually install it. But then maybe your second floor, bedroom and bathroom might be just your typical embedded system with a quick heat for the time you just need it. And that's really that religious makes the whole thing very efficient. And you really not spending a ton of money on energy, you know, you just using it when you need it. Awesome absolutely. Amy asks, can you install under hardwood? And yes, it depends again on, you know, you want to talk to the manufacturer about any limitations or requirements they have and then you want to be sure that you're picking, you know, based on how you'll be installing that hardwood, the right system to make sure that it's going to be installed properly. Yeah, Yeah. Good question. And like we were talking, you know, somewhere, I believe at the beginning of the presentation, just always share with us what installation method you're planning to use. I can remember if I actually shared that, but like your hardwood manual or manufacturer, it actually can say that the system can be installed floated, it can be floated, it can be nailed down, it can be just glued down. And you may just start setting up your project or sharing the information with us and you know, without identifying what installation method you're going to be using. And then on the day of the installation, your installer may just decide, I'm going to glue it down, but you kind of do that over in Byron, for example. So just I know it's kind of it could be a specific think or a last minute thing that you can decide, but just share that with us ahead of time. We can always very quickly redesign the project. We can redesign and get you the right product, you know, within 24 hours or less. So just share that part with us because as you can see with the hardwood there, at least three different directions. We can take here. Yes, Yes. Definitely be sure to be chatting with us about your project. And our last question that was sent in advance is Pedro's. He asks about shower pans and electric heating in showers. So we kind of brushed over that a little bit earlier. Yeah, obviously we do have the shower waterproofing kits. We do have shower heater. That is pre sized precut for a lot of standard showers. So depending on, you know, the shower size and how you're planning to install it, absolutely. Reach out to us and we can chat. Yeah the interesting thing these days, there is just so many different ways of just doing shit. The shower floors, you know, you we really all live in the era where we combine some really old school methods and technologies that could be like regionally specific. And there's some of these really new amazing products that makes the shower installation very quick, very simple. So just, yeah, communicate with your installer or with whoever is really dealing with the installation process, communicate that information to us. That way we can figure out what product to use, we can figure out how to install it correctly, and that way we are all covered. Awesome So I don't see any other questions. If anything comes up while we finish up here, feel free to ask away just a little bit of housekeeping. We do have our next webinar scheduled for April 13th, again until Thursday at one right here on crowdcast. And it's going to be about creating a heated driveway with one of our snow melting systems. So I we'll obviously come April, none of us want to be thinking about snow, but it's a good time to start planning ahead for next winter. So if you're curious. Yes, join us. And then we also offer daily trainings again right here on crowdcast. These are usually at least once a day and once, twice and often hosted by me, hosted by Anatoliy. And they're usually 5 to 10 minutes. So feel free to pop on in a little bit, ask some questions. We're happy to chat. For march, we are offering 25% off of select towel warmers, so please visit our website to learn more about that promotion. And at the end of today's webinar, we'll send you an email shortly asking about your experience. So we would love to hear any comments, any suggestions. If you have topics you're interested in learning about. Be sure to let us know. We want to make sure that we're doing this for you and giving you the information that you are looking for. And of course, you're always free to contact us. Please call us. Email us. However is easiest for you. We want to make sure that you are completely confident and have all your questions answered going into working on whatever heating project you are going to be doing. And of course, we had mentioned earlier our website lots and lots of information, so be sure to check that out as well. It's warm leaders with two wise. So that is, I believe, all that we have today. Thank you, Anatoliy, for joining and co-hosting today's webinar. We always appreciate that tech side of things for sure. Thank you, Lyn. Thank you. There was a good time, and I hope you all learned something new today. And if you want to. Once again. If you want to learn. And anything new about our other products. Just share that feedback. We want to start the webinar and plan the webinar with the information that you really want to know. Absolutely Yes. We want to make sure you're learning things you want to learn, not things that we think you should learn. So until next time, stay warm, be radiant and have a wonderful rest of your day. Goodbye

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